Are the Detroit Red Wings over-ripening prospects?
Have the Detroit Red Wings gone too far with over-ripening prospects? Not exactly, and here's why.
Tale as old as time, Detroit Red Wings and having prospects take the long route to the National Hockey League (NHL).
Some Detroit Red Wings fans might think all teams keep their prospects out of the NHL for a very long time, as well. However, it’s not the case with various teams throughout the league.
Whether prospects are high-end enough that teams think the player is ready, the team doesn’t have enough warm bodies, or there is a demand for as much cash flow as possible, which means selling jerseys with the new kid’s name on the back, teams have different values in prospect development.
A team like the Buffalo Sabres, for example, is just exciting. Things did not go according to anyone’s plan last season and they didn’t take the next step in the season until it was too late to make the playoffs. The young players gained invaluable experience, though.
I’ll be very interested to see how things play out for them next season.
On the other end of the spectrum, to some fans it seems like the Detroit Red Wings use every excuse in the book to stop a prospect from joining their lineup. Back in the day, it was appropriate. Some of the best players in history wore the Winged Wheel and they weren’t giving up their spot to any rookie.
The historic run is long gone, but…
Are the Detroit Red Wings still over-ripening players?
To find the answer, I suppose we must look at the definition of an over-ripened prospect. In terms of this exercise, I’m counting anyone who is kept out of the NHL to the point where spending any further time in another league would plateau or hurt a player’s development.
While, I think most would agree on the second part, a discussion might be had at a player plateauing being a part of the equation.
In my opinion, the NHL is getting exceedingly younger. This means, unfortunately for this group of prospects, that any stagnation in development is a missed opportunity. If they aren’t learning or growing as a prospect in the league in which they are playing, then they are taking steps back. There’s not a luxury of having an off year or playing solely to gain more experience anymore.
During the Steve Yzerman era as general manager, I would say prospects haven’t been damaged by his decisions to keep them out of the NHL.
We can talk all about context, team make up, playoff runs, etc., but for the context of this exercise, I’m focusing on the Detroit Red Wings most valuable assets.
Their prospects.
I’m not going to take a look at all prospects, it would be too much, but a few highlights and lowlights in terms of development under Yzerman and if they fit the mold of over-ripening.
Right on Track
Simon Edvinsson
What if’s plague my mind. For an unhealthy amount of time, I think of what would have happened with a lot of these prospects.
The fact that I could argue either way for Simon Edvinsson makes me lean toward right on track.
He could have played in the NHL all season, but particularly after January, his game really took off and he might have seen more growth in the NHL than he did in the AHL. I think it was a missed opportunity, but I don’t think his game or growth suffered being in the AHL. Though a small difference, I think if a player still grows in a league outside of the NHL, then it’s not over-ripening. It’s just not ideal for the prospect (or the Detroit Red Wings).
Edvinsson played with confidence at both levels, but seemed to be a bit more comfortable at the AHL-level (understandably so).
In the NHL, he played regular minutes, but I think he was under-utilized (he should have had more penalty kill time and on a power play that struggled to find the back of the net, trying a wild stallion like Edvinsson might have helped kick start things).
While playing in the AHL, he was head coach Dan Watson’s go-to defenseman. Out in all situations and seemed to play every other shift most nights.
In the playoffs, I would have liked to have seen more confidence from Edvinsson, but he showed well overall.
Nothing is certain with this Detroit Red Wings team, but it’s more likely than not that Edvinsson plays his first full season in the NHL this year.
If that’s the case, Edvinsson is right on track in my book. If he starts anywhere else, I think he’s being over-ripened.
Carter Mazur
I love the love Detroit Red Wings fans have for Carter Mazur.
Before he even plays his first NHL game, he’s already a fan-favorite. He might even make a couple say, “Tyer Bertuzzi, who dat?”
In reality, he’s a different player than Bertuzzi. His grit and protectiveness are some of his more fun tools for fans to watch.
However, there is an underlying skill level, when coupled with his work ethic, that allows for his game to take flight. He can not only keep up with highly skilled players, but can make things happen with his own shot and passing abilities. As importantly, he’s not afraid to do the dirty work to make plays happen–especially getting the puck back.
There are still things Mazur has to work on before wearing the Winged Wheel in the regular season.
The most important thing, he still needs to bulk up. More often than not, I’m not concerned about a player’s size, but in the case of Mazur and his style of play, it’s a necessary evil.
Once he gets stronger, it should help with lowering the risk of injuries and help him in completing his mission (getting the puck back and causing mayhem on the ice).
Marco Kasper
As much as I would have liked to see Marco Kasper wreaking havoc on the NHL, I think it was better to keep him in the NHL last season.
Toward the end of the season, I wish that he could have played one or two games in place of a guy like Austin Czarnik, who seemed to struggle a bit down the stretch just to see. Also, I think it would have been a nice reward as Kasper played incredibly well from the midway point of the season on, I’m not sure there was a more consistent player. Sebastian Cossa might have tied him, but I’m not sure that he outplayed Kasper.
I think he’ll be NHL bound sooner than later, but he’s likely to take over the first line center duties in the Grand Rapids Griffins lineup. Ideally, he will be the Edvinsson of the forward group (play in all situations, and be the go-to guy on offense).
Of course, there will be some competition. Nate Danielson comes to my mind, but Kasper has tenure and unless he gives Watson a reason not to, Kasper is likely the number one guy. Danielson should slot in nicely as a second line center.
Over-Ripened
Jonatan Berggren
Put your pitchforks down for just a second.
Whether you are team trade or keep Jonatan Berggren, I’m not sure there’s much argument that Berggren is overripe.
I get it. Our team was full, he made mistakes, his defensive play isn’t NHL-caliber…I’ve heard the arguments all before.
Have they swayed my mind, even just a little? Not in the slightest.
If anyone watched a Grand Rapids Griffins game and thought Berggren belonged there, I think you might need to adjust your tv set (or monitor, or mobile device, whatever screen you’re watching).
He did not belong there.
Every shift, he was the biggest weapon for the Grand Rapids Griffins and opponents knew it. They took advantage of that fact.
Berggren was run over, tripped, cross-checked, slashed, hit in the head, boarded, charged and I don’t know what all more than I have ever seen in my life. Hardly were there ever any penalties called against him.
I’m shocked he was able to even get up from some of those hits, they’re more vicious than I’ve seen any prospect take.
In some ways, I think it was a bit refreshing when Berggren joined the Detroit Red Wings for that short stint, where referees actually penalized opponents when they were warranted. It seemed like a foreign concept, Berggren earning a power play for his team.
There were mistakes made while Berggren was in the NHL, however, I don’t think they’re mistakes that would be learned from at the AHL level.
Berggren is a passer. Even if I try to explain to everyone, including Berggren that he’s more than a playmaker and doesn’t know it yet, it seems that he wants to be a pass first player.
He has the elite vision and can thread a puck through the tiniest of openings.
At the AHL-level, he already knows timing, speed of play, his teammates/opponents, etc. While these things are great, they aren’t fully applicable to the NHL level.
It’s a different speed, pace, quality of competition, etc., so sending him back to the AHL to learn how to make better reads of plays or passes isn’t going to help.
Berggren needs time to re-adjust to the NHL game and style of play. He needs more than four periods of hockey to learn from. As importantly, he needs to be able to go back on the ice to adjust his game, to implement anything new that he’s learned.
He’s an intuitive guy, watching videos and listening to veterans can only go so far.
Last season, Berggren had nothing to gain from the AHL and everything to learn at an NHL level. In the long run, I’m not sure it’s stunted his overall NHL ceiling, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
If this is how they treat Berggren, will they treat Kasper, Danielson, and other prospects the same way?
If they do, I grimace in anticipation of the outcome.
Hopefully, it was a one-off and they’ll give the next group of prospects more grace that when they do make mistakes they can learn from them instead of being shunned back to the land where they beat the heck out of them.
Albert Johansson
Resume pitchfork holding.
I know the argument, Albert Johansson will get his shot in the NHL this upcoming season. There wasn’t any room for him in the NHL. It’s why he had to stay in the AHL all season.
To a degree, I understand the logic.
On a micro level, I disagree with the viewpoint.
Johansson had an alright season. He started off okay, played stellar through the middle of the season, then tapered off towards the end of the season. When averaged together, I’d say he played as well as expected. Did I want more in the playoffs from him? Most definitely, but he wasn’t alone in that category.
I think Johansson’s case is a bit different from Berggren’s.
He wasn’t ready to start in the NHL this season. I think midway through the season to the end of the season, though, he earned his call up.
Part of Johansson’s play at the end of the season might have been a reflection of being ignored for call ups. Who knows? Maybe he was nursing some injury (most players probably were, the Grand Rapids Griffins were getting rocked regularly every night from a physical standpoint).
I think Johansson is a good example of learning what each prospect needs in their development at any given moment.
If (that fun what if game, again) Johansson was called up, I think it would have been a wake up call in terms of, this is how the NHL is and here are things that can really help you claim your spot in the lineup next October, and I think Johansson would be much better prepared for the upcoming season.
It wouldn’t be surprising if Johansson thinks he’s totally ready for the NHL only to get slapped by the reality that is the NHL. To then find himself up in the pressbox more often than not, because he’s too good of an asset to give away for free. He doesn’t have the NHL experience needed to fulfill a trade request (because again, not giving him away for free, or at a lower value than his worth to the Detroit Red Wings–Yzerman isn’t cheap, he just likes his value), and he’s ill-prepared to keep his spot in the lineup.
Johansson is a pretty consistent player, but he has some moments like all young players. My concern is when he makes a play like Berggren, why would head coach Derek Lalonde continue to play him? How does he get to learn? Because he is going to need to and to learn quicker than he ever has before in his hockey life, at the highest level possible in his career of choice.
I’m excited to see Johansson in the NHL, but terrified that he’s not going to be given a proper chance to play and learn–the two most vital things for the next steps in his development.
A lot of this anxiety could have been alleviated with just a game or three in the NHL last season. Why he wasn’t worthy of a chance, I’ll never know but I hope it all works out for the better.
Conclusion
With each prospect, there is a level of ripeness.
While I believe a couple have been over-ripened, none are past the point of no return. Furthermore, I think it’s difficult at this juncture to even assess if the organization as a whole is over-ripening prospects.
Even though five years (how long ago Yzerman took over the Detroit Red Wings) seems like a long time, it can take a prospect anywhere from one-to-five years to play in the NHL.
I know Yzerman likes to take his time. Fully assessing the situations (or players in this case), gathering as much information as he can, to make the best decision possible for his Detroit Red Wings. His reasons may not be clear, but I think his reasoning makes perfect sense to him and the organization. Truly, I appreciate his lack of second guessing himself and ability to move on when things don’t work out well.
At this point, I’m not ready to deem the Yzerplan as a gatekeeper to prospects, but I’m not sure the system is set so that prospects flourish. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned about the future path of upcoming prospects.
They seem to be more of an afterthought for the organization when they’re the future of the organization. The next dynasty isn’t being built on veteran players or a mirage of a playoff run now.
It’s built on the foundation of its youth and its ability to get the most out of each individual prospect. Hopefully the Detroit Red Wings adjust accordingly, otherwise the mushy middle might become the norm.
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